Robert Perrier Homilist June 4-5 2011
The Trouble With ‘The Trouble With St Mary’s’
This homily is my response to the film The Trouble With St Mary’s. I am a friend of both Peters – Peter the film-maker and Peter the film’s chief protagonist. As a friend I don’t wish to say anything that is harmful to either, but I have some misgivings about the film which from the community point of view I think are important to express.
When I refer to Peter in this homily, I’m always referring to Peter Kennedy. I refer to the other Peter, Peter Hegedus, as the film-maker. I do this to avoid confusing you about which Peter I’m talking about.
Documentary films purport to be factual accounts of real events. But no film, even a documentary, is real or can aspire to be real. 70 minutes can never replace a lifetime, or, in the case of St Mary’s, a couple of years. Film stories, particularly documentary film stories, come out of the real, but by selection and concentration they go beyond real.
The camera can isolate an emotion or a gesture in ways that we can’t with the naked eye. Characters appear on screen many times larger than we are in reality. Scenes are edited out of chronological order. Images are often placed out of their real context. The lives of the characters are accompanied by background music. (Our real lives are not accompanied by minor chords and crescendos and god help us if they were.) And all these things, character, size, editing, music, they all serve the story. The story is what matters. And in documentary stories, since it can never be real, the most important question we can ask is: does the film truthfully reflect the experience which we lived through?
At the emotional level, I think the film (and more so the 70 minute version than the Compass version) is at times a powerfully truthful account. However, documentary films are also historical records and the filmmakers must be particularly careful about what they present as fact. Here the film fails. I think the filmmaker is seduced by the common media practice of identifying and exploiting a sensational aspect of an event at the expense of the deeper story and the richer context. Whilst films are ephemeral, the history in them is not. And for this reason I think this failing of the film should be challenged.
There are really two different stories being told and the juxtaposition results in damage to one of them. One story is about the nature of belief and faith (which are not necessarily the same thing). St Mary’s is a community which has always, and will always struggle with the question of belief. Not knowing all the answers is its strength. St Mary’s community embraces that ignorance with trust (sometimes fear) and faith. This aspect of St Mary’s, along with its practical commitment to social justice may very well define its collective spiritual identity. Whatever the truth of that, the important point here is that it is this story which is damaged by the telling of the other.
The other story develops the claim made in the film that St Mary’s is a cult. St Mary’s is nothing like a cult. But by returning to this broadside later in the film, the filmmaker gives the idea credence and later the impression is created that the community has naive cult-like tendencies. If anyone doubts this read the the Sydney Morning Herald critic, Jim Shrembri’s preview of the film. He is paid to read films. It’s his job. A far as I know he knows nothing about this community other than what is in the film and that’s how he read it. This is deeply troubling because film critics also influence the way the general public read films. The impression created is not a reflection of this community and it undermines the authenticity of the deeply emotional experience of the exodus.
Let us deal with the exodus story first. Peter Kennedy is the protagonist through which the story is told. And, for many reasons he is the perfect choice. Directly or indirectly, so many of us are here because of the opportunity for communion that Peter first created. Peter also spans the time from Vatican II (the birth of hope within the church) to the current troubles (the expulsion of hope from the church which continues today). A third reason to choose Peter as the central character is because he is so deliciously human. He feels everything and censors little. A film-makers dream.
We humans can believe anything. And belief is a necessary starting point if we want to move from where we are to where we are not. The inventors of the first flying machine could not have made a flying machine unless they believed they could. But surely their faith in flying machines came after the first one stayed in the air. Otherwise it would have been blind faith. Once embedded in their new faith, when they looked back, they may very well have laughed at some of the things they believed. I’m of the view that faith happens when we reach “where we were not”. The beliefs we once held may or may not have been illusions but were necessary to bring us to faith.
We ourselves may not fully understand how we came by the faith that brings us here. But we look at the homeless who have been given homes. The women and children who have been sheltered from domestic violence. The hands which no one wants to hold being held. And we know this is the product of a loving caring community. One that we can have faith in, not because of what it believes but because of what it does. It does good. And whether you are a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Jew, or, for that matter, a secularist, an atheist, or a humanist, if our actions do good and don’t create harm, they are good. The idea of doing good is not a religious idea. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is also common sense. As I heard a Buddhist monk say at a dhama talk. “If there’s a heaven, and I do good, I’ll go there. If there’s Nirvana, and I do good, I’ll find it. And if there are none of these things and I do good, I’ll die happy.” This is a philosophy I can live with. Or die with.
The burying of the dog is the emotional heart of this film because it contains within in it feelings we can easily transfer to the collective experience. Peter was burying more than a dog. He was burying beliefs which over time he also came to believe were a bit silly, perhaps even dangerous. They were part of the institutional cancer which had been killing the body of the church for a long time. But cancerous or not, Peter, in his quixotic innocence, also for a long while, was attached to them and them to him. Thus the pain of loss. And the grief. Inevitable and natural as rain. Everything that follows – denial, anger, depression, acceptance – Peter allows us to see, and, more importantly, feel. Importantly, because we, too, grieved the loss.
When Peter spat the dummy in the board room (another part of the film I particularly liked), the people around that table showed great love towards him. A love no better attested to than by the manner in which they were able to tell their truth, with keen consideration for Peter’s feelings, but also without fear. Peter wanted to leave, but he didn’t. Whether they were right or wrong, the collective wisdom and love of the community conquered his self-will. Anger, denial, depression, acceptance. In that short scene we had them all. It was humility and courage in action. I don’t know if I will ever have the necessary courage or humility to do that. But having seen Peter do it gives me the hope that I may. Hardly anything is changed by will. It’s only by bringing our attention to something that there is any chance of change or any value in it should there happen to be change. That’s what makes the modern news story which feeds what it thinks is our voracious appetite for sound grabs, personality conflicts, and ‘reality’ drama so infuriatingly superficial.
Which brings me to what makes me uncomfortable about the film. Particularly with the Compass version. The primary difference between the two versions is that one is narrated and one is not. Words drive the story in the Compass Program which creates a focus on the “issues” the film explores. The other version is driven by music which draws us more towards the emotional undercurrents. The content of both versions however is the same.
There are many disputed definitions of the word “cult” but in modern usage, they have one thing in common. They are all pejorative. Here’s one from Michael Langone:
“Cults are groups that often exploit members psychologically and/or financially, typically by making members comply with leadership’s demands through certain types of psychological manipulation, popularly called mind control, and through the inculcation of deep-seated anxious dependency on the group and its leaders”
The idea that St Mary’s in any way fits this description is preposterous. Particularly when individuals in this community are so deeply engaged in thinking about their spirituality and their humanity.
Nevertheless, I can see the attraction in following the cult idea from the film-makers point of view. Just as films are stories, so too are film-makers storytellers. And cults are dramatic. They are dramatic precisely because they tap a deep-seated anxiety in the broader community about cults. It may be a good story, but it’s just not true. That impression which the film (not the community) creates should be unambiguously corrected.
The problem for the film (and the cause of my mixed feelings about it) arises because the cult story is so entwined with the deeply spiritual and cathartic emotional story that some audiences will find it hard to separate them. In other words, if you weren’t there, or perhaps even if you were, it is hard to differentiate the false (that Peter is some kind of guru and we blind followers of a cult) from the true (the experience of loss that was felt by an entire community). I think that is a great pity because St Mary’s has always been a refuge for those who are struggling with their faith, who are trying to reconcile what they have been taught to believe with what is practiced. A cult is not a refuge. A cult is a prison. Who would want to seek refuge in a prison or, as the Sydney Morning Herald previewer of the film saw it, in a God made of tin? Yet, that is a proposition that the film puts out there. That can’t be good. For us or for those wanting refuge.
In an interview, the filmmaker said that SMX “must ask themselves: What do we do? What is our identity? What is our belief system?” They are are obviously honestly felt questions for the film-maker but unnecessary ones for the community. The evidence of what this community does is everywhere. We just have to look. And a system of beliefs is precisely what we don’t need (isn’t that part of the reason we left?). As for identity, we ask that question of ourselves constantly. We asked it before the exodus and now we are asking it after the exodus. Nothing has changed. We argue amongst ourselves. We get passionate about this idea or that. We sometimes wonder what the hell some of us are talking about. We laugh, we cry, we get frustrated, we get in tizzy fits, we are puzzled, we console, we support, we rally for good causes, we stumble, we fail. No problem.
Until now, I never fully appreciated what I think is the essence of us and I’d like to share that with you. It’s something which is in the film but obscured by the filmmaker’s need to find answers. It’s what brought me here and what brings me back. It’s the opposite of certainty. It’s living in the not knowing or as one mystic called it The Cloud of Unknowing. And may it always be so.
God, hold and protect us (this beautiful, courageous, imperfect community) and save us from any belief that we have, or must have, the answers.

05/06/2011 at 9:02 pm Permalink
Well done Robert. The documentary was always going to provide ammunition to our detractors to take more pot shots at our community. You are spot on. But a cult we are not! I think the term applies more to the Catholic Church these days than to a group who is prepared to think for themselves rather than be slaves to outdated and irrelevant dogma.
05/06/2011 at 10:49 pm Permalink
Dear Robert … I was looking on the ABC website this evening for the Compass program about Patricia Brennan, a lovely lady with whom I shared some special times. In so doing, I also saw the program about Father Peter Kennedy and his parish. I have now read your message on the website, and feel compelled to write and say a huge bravo to you all for your patience, tenacity, faith, loyalty, courage and good work. Of course I can only imagine the emotion that must be felt by Peter who had ministered at St Mary’s for so many years, upon being forced out. But, as an outsider, weighing up what I have seen and read this evening, I think you are all better off now. Now, despite what the Compass narrator said, your group is definitely not a cult, and I think their use of the term was ignorant and uninformed. The mis-use of the word ‘cult’ says more about Compass than it does about your congregation. The ‘church’ is not bricks and mortar. It is people. Jesus had altercations in synagogues. He preached and taught on the hillside. I have never understood how the Roman Catholic church could place so much emphasis upon the richness of adornments and furnishings in its places of worship. I also commend Peter’s current searching for meaning. He is alive and not bogged down in dogma and ritual. The New Testament character Thomas was criticised for his unbelief, but he turned out to be the greatest believer of them all! I shall watch with interest how the new St Marys congregation progresses. Thanks again for your thoughtful and considered appraisal of the film and the circumstances.
06/06/2011 at 8:58 am Permalink
Robert when When Peter spat the dummy in the board room this indicated to me that he is a horribly confused person who lacks any leadership or power, the response from the “board” is a indication that the church is now run by faceless people who have hijacked the community, back to square one..
Continue with membership/contributions/rules and regulations etc, sounds like the catholic church hmmm
07/06/2011 at 5:32 pm Permalink
Robert Perrier’s exploration in this homily of a ‘cult’ reference then regular digression into ‘spiritual talk’ as a means to critique Peter Hegedus documentary on St Mary’s 2008-2010 is a misreading of the non-sensationalist and subtle approach of Hegedus to let the stories of not just those who remain at the old St Mary’s church, but Peter Kennedy, and just as importantly Karen Walsh come to light in this film.
Robert doesn’t mention Karen in his homily. Why has such a key Brisbane welfare agency worker allowed herself in effect to take such a role in this film? Meaning, why have not just Peter, and others, particularly Karen, let the cameras in? It is partly that Hegedus with his unassuming, supportive, and genuinely kind manner as a film maker (and yes, I’ve met him – I’m in the documentary both visually and with my music) is immediately trusted by both SME and the old St Mary’s?
The vision of Peter Kennedy and cautious support by Terry Ftizpatrick to consider investing in a community centre (e.g. Callan House) being canned by a community meeting – the lack of financial options being disccused in that meeting – was depressing to watch – I was not part of that meeting – I’m not part of SME – I have never been – I have visited, and keep in contact with many SME people. Depressing, because as the film with it’s minor key soundtrack (in contrast to my major key organ playing at the old church in the film) is in for awfully tough years as SME members sit around and try to define their spirituality (yes, ALL of us have doubts, that’s not unique to SME!).. whilst SME still doesn’t have a permanent place of it’s own.
So Peter Kennedy moves into full-time retirement in a couple of years and interest in SME drops off severely – your community can’t meet it’s mortgage repayments so you sell the property for a profit, pay off the loan, and go back to where you are now. But at the moment SME are so lost in the likes of Robert and his spiritual rhetoric dominating your administrative processes, you fail to deal with those tough practical issues a community needs to address, such as a building.
ALL of us have doubts in our daily life and our faith – that’s not a unique trademark of SME.
08/06/2011 at 6:50 pm Permalink
Thank God for the Community of SMX. Our world needs models and examples of ways of being Church like this in order to grow. This is truly a prophetic model of church. I have kept my eyes on what has been happening at St Marys for a while now from afar (UK) My hope is that SMX is a spark that ignites a spiritual flame of desire in the lives of all.
09/06/2011 at 2:29 pm Permalink
Marcus, your contribution (above) shows you know nothing about the community or about Peter Kennedy.
14/06/2011 at 11:15 am Permalink
Kerry thanks for your comment, what aspects do you not agree with, ta
14/06/2011 at 9:23 pm Permalink
Tim, you are starting to sound like the BoF you once called me – all that talk of retirement and mortgages!
Have you read Terry’s Pentecost lecture? Don’t you know that these folks are not just ‘in’ the Universe, not even ‘in tune’ with the Universe, but actually ‘are’ the Universe. Don’t talk to them about paying off the mortgage! They are not creatures of God, not even children of God, but actually the same thing as God. Don’t bother them with talk about succession planning.
They are free spirits, now riding as waves upon the ocean, now falling back into the eternal sea of being. Personally I would prefer a continued, individual, personal existence over membership of an impersonal formless ocean. But that’s just me. We’re all different, aren’t we? No, wait. We’re all the same, aren’t we? Darn, now they’ve got me confused too.
16/06/2011 at 6:39 pm Permalink
Noted, PM.
(What ever it was i just noted i don’t know but yes, i did).
Without wanting to cheapen in any way the story of the Tibetan peoples, has anyone on this website mentioned the link between “Exile” and Tibet? The Chinese came with guns and committed genocide – a long talked about community run by Terry (2005 when I first heard of it) was canvassed in our church and even those of us who wanted to stay at the old church began to think in positive terms of supporting this community – donating to a building fund or the like – extending good will.
Come 2008 no Chinese came with guns altho the media came because the media loves confrontation (a fight), and the “Exiled” community (i.e. around 70% of those who had been at St Mary’s in the last 10 years) walked 2 blocks down the road, with a pub and a hotel in between and Peter promised “a fridge full of beer” on Channel 9 news.
This is why I mention Karyn Walsh on the Peter Hegedus video – it’s what Robert Perrier missed and it’s absolutely key in understanding the St Mary’s story – understanding the role Karyn played in advising Peter and Terry not just in 2009-2010 but over more than 20 years.
It’s a great documentary – it put a lot to rest for the old church community and it’s numbers at the 5pm mass have grown since. And I *HOPE* for people in the TLC it’s a wake up call to try, if they can to turn SME into a positive and look again at investing in a permanent home (so your community fails in 10 years? sell the investment property for profit – pay of the loan…!!!)… BUT talking to SME members in their 60s and 70s, even 50s, I just think people at that age are so set in their ways, and that’s part of their charm. But then maybe not – my folks in their 70s get away from SME and go travelling regularly and having me up their road at the old church gives them a fresher perspective on SME/St Mary’s than many.
16/06/2011 at 6:48 pm Permalink
I’m 43 now.. maybe I’m getting set in my ways too!!